>> we did. by the way, we took over once you guys finished up, we started back up. what do you love? >> i love we have something in common, neither got our job until our late 20s. >> while we're talking about it, since we're talking about it, i should say everybody should denounce mtv and advertisers should pull their money. just stop. just stop. >> i agree. >> we should all just make it stop. >> make it stop. somebody needs to pay. it's way too early. on that happy note we'll leave you. it's way too early. somebody must lose their job. way too early. it's "morning joe." stick around. chuck is up now with "the daily rundown." the united states making it clear that it's no longer a question of whether these are alleged chemical attacks in syria. they are. secretary of state john kerry's carefully chosen words indicate military attacks are coming.

anniversary of the 50th anniversary of the march on washington. how president obama handles the hopes of the joshua generation. plus as debt and a sense of despair looms large over motown, detroit's next mayor will be former hospital chief mike duggin or the man we'll meet this morning, wayne county sheriff benny napoleon. august 27th, this is "the daily rundown." lets get to my first reads of the morning. secretary of state john kerry laid out an aggressive case for intervention in syria arking evidence of the largest chemical attack in decades is undeniable. the latest escalation with a steady drum beat by the united states and its allies, which is clearly a leadup to military action. >> the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. president obama has made clear

to the outside regime that this international norm cannot be violated without consequences. >> it's an important phrase. you heard it a lot, not just from john kerry but jay carney, international norm, significant, ready for strike significant on three main tracks, one, intelligence community backing up conclusions the chemical attack was launched by the regime. that could happen as early as today. two, determination of a legal justification of an attack under some form of international law. three, ongoing consultation with u.s. allies, u.n., nato and arab league. it was clear from kerry's tone a military strike was coming. he called the images from syria gut wawrinkaing, secretary hagel said u.s. forces are ready to strike syria now if the president ordered that to be. >> suffice to say, the options are there. the united states department of

defense is ready to carry out those options. if that would occur, that would occur also in coordination with our international partners. >> if it comes, you're ready to go like that. >> we're ready to go like that. >> by the way, the decision to do an interview with the bbc knowing it's going to be seen in europe and around the world, that also part of this lead up and part of this messaging by the obama administration. officials tell nbc news a strike is likely to consist of cruise missiles launched from four warships and two submarines in the mediterranean targeting regime command and control bunkers, artillery and airfield but not the chemical stockpiles which the pentagon considers too risky and not assad himself. although the white house continues to say there is, quote, no solution for syria's future that includes assad, u.s. officials say regime change is not the goal of this military strike. today british prime minister david cameron called chemical

weapons attack in syria absolutely abhorrent and said britain's armed forces are drawing up contingency plans as well. the rhetoric may be designed as a warning to russia which opposes any action from the u.n. monday, we have no plans to go to war with anyone over syria. i guess that's a relief. late monday the u.s. postponed a planned meeting with the russians at the haig. it was scheduled to discuss a political solution to syria. u.n. backing is extremely unlikely. china has vetoed previous resolutions against assad and warned, quote, an attack would be irresponsible and dangerous saying through its official news agency. the current scenario is reminiscent to the war which they staged for weapons of mass destruction but later turned out to be false. no authorization for the use of force normally comes from the

security council. britain, france, germany said they would support action without u.n. keep an eye out for the meeting of the arab league this week, possibly as early as thursday. one could be based on an appeal for assistance from turkey. coalition could site chemical weapons treaty that went into effect in 1997 that most of the world signed onto except a country known as syria. u.s. unlikely to inspector while inspectors are on the ground. they are scheduled to leave syria sunday. yesterday they visited hospitals and collected samples at the site of last week's attack only after being fired upon by snipers. the u.n. has delayed their next visit to the site until wednesday to ensure safety for the team. meanwhile will the president go to congress for authorization before a strike? that seems highly unlikely. yesterday the white house suggested the president may not wait for congress to act. >> don't want to speculate about what congress might do when we haven't even reached a decision.

>> congress, does that mean having congress authorize something? is that a fair -- >> i think that's a statement objectively of fact that you've made. >> on monday after the white house spoke with house speaker john boehner, notably boehner's office released a statement that said this. quote, the speaker made clear before any action is taken there must be meaningful consultation with members of congress, clearly defined objectives and broader strategy to achieve stable. words matter. it's worth noting speaker boehner's office did not use any form of the word authorization or authorize. boehner demanded a consultation. though it sounds like strong language, what it means is this. you don't have to ask us to vote on this one. you just have to keep us informed at what you're doing. syria's foreign minister said today the regime will keep fighting the rebels no matter what the u.s. decides to do and insisted if attacked syria would defend itself by any means

necessary. richard engel, foreign correspondent along the syrian border. i know you spoke with some of the rebel commanders and rebel leaders, what is their expectation of the action the u.s. is likely to take? >> they want a very serious action. they are, however, skeptical. they have heard promises from the united states to back them with weapons and most of those weapons never materialized or didn't materialize in a way that was able to change the balance of power in this war. they hope that after the assad regime used chemical weapons in a massive way against its civilians that this will finally be a moment for the world to wake up and help them. we spoke to people who said, how much more do syrians have to suffer before the world decides to act in they hope this will now be a decisive moment of action. the syrian foreign minister today was laying out the government case. the foreign minister held a press conference for those journalists in damascus. he said that he doesn't think that it's going to happen, that

syria would have to defend itself. a military action, if it came, would only benefit israel and al qaeda and said that the united states is searching for a pretext for launching a war. so while syria is trying to come across as quite blase about it, it is also clearly concerned something is coming. >> richard, you're sitting in turkey right on the border there. it is significant that turkey, which, of course, right now is at odds with the united states over what's going on in egypt on this issue seems to be attached at the hip. what does that mean going forward and could turkey recruit other arab -- could they recruit arab countries along with and some formation of international coalition? >> i think there are a lot of arab countries who would very much like to see an attack on bashar al-assad. saudi arabia, uae, turkey, absolutely. turkey said it will participate

in military actions against bashar's regime no matter what the consequences are. there are nato bases in this country not very far from where we are right now. turkey definitely wants there to be military action. there are already some troops and military hardware down in this border area. people here don't expect there's going to be a ground offensive launched from turkey to syria but turkey is taking precautions because the fighting intensifies there could be missiles that end up flying over the border and landing in turkish towns as has happened in the past. >> richard engel on the border of turkey and syria. stay safe, my friend. thank you very much. it doesn't appear the white house is going to wait for congress to give the green light for miller action. as we said, the discussion seems to focus on the word consultation not authorization. joining me now tennessee senator bob koerk, the ranking republican on the senate foreign relations committee. senator, i want to begin with

that simple issue. your office put out a release over video clips of tv appearances you made that says senator corker says the white house needs to come to congress to authorize anything before doing anything in syria. it doesn't look like that's going to happen. how do you feel about that? >> look, under the war powers act, all they are required to do is consult. i know this administration has stated they believe war powers act is constitutional. some administrations feel otherwise. i did receive a call from the appropriate person. i think the white house has confirmed they believe that to be consultation. i appreciate that, by the way. that is what the war powers act says. on the other hand, after two long wars, and i think, todd, you know i support intervention here. i support something that's proportional, that's surgical, the response to what has

happened. i'm in support of us taking action. but i think if you look at the debate in washington and candidly the feckless nature of congress over time relative to foreign policy, some of the irresponsible comments that end up being made by folks who end up having no ownership over what we're doing in this regard, i actually wish they would call us back and ask for an authorization in advance. i do know they are going to build a much stronger case this time. i know they are going to declassify some of the information that our intelligence agencies have so that the case regarding what's happened on the ground there is fully made. i think they will lay out much more in advance, so they don't end up in a situation like they did in libya, candidly, where they began with some degree of goodwill but it dissipated because of their lack of follow-through. look, again, i think especially since we know it's going to happen, as you just stated, john

kerry cannot make the kind of comments he made yesterday publicly and us not respond. i wish they would bring us back. i wish congress would get involved on the front end. i think it's the responsible thing to do. it's not going to happen. i agree. >> let me ask you this. you laid out a case for you wish they would ask congress to come back and deal with this. you also laid out a case of why almost -- you didn't use these words but you almost wondered if congress was mature enough to deal with this decision. >> you know, todd, that's the problem, though. because congress has not had -- we haven't had an authorization for the use of military force since september the 18th, 2001. it was 60 words long. and because congress has had no ownership, congress -- members of congress, not all people, many people are very responsible on these kinds of issues, but many members are able to make up all kinds of silly debates about

our policy. we saw one, i thought, on the senate floor not long ago. so you know, to me, todd, the best thing to do would be to involve congress and cause us to take ownership. look, prime minister cameron is bringing back the uk parliament. >> different form of government. >> very specific. >> different form of government. has to do that. >> look, we're having an intellectual conversation, meaning this is not going to happen, okay? but the fact is, they -- i will say the administration is honoring the responsibilities they have under the war powers act. i appreciate that. i do hope once the president decides which option he's going to take relative to our intervention, i do hope they will circle back around and talk with those of us that i think they feel they need to talk with regarding this. but look, it's going to happen in my opinion. it's a matter of what option the

president takes. i think it's imminent. i think it's the right thing to do as long as it's surgical and proportional. what i don't want to see, chuck, is something that ends up causing us to be mired down in the civil war policy of supporting the vetted moderate opposition on the ground by building their capabilities through what i hope will ultimately be industrial strength training but also the equipping. you talked to your correspondent on the turkish border of syria. i was there just within the last wo weeks. you're right, tremendous frustrations over the lack of arms shipments that are supposed to be coming. i think that's just beginning to occur. it's been awfully slow. i hope we'll step that up. to me the syrian people need to be taking the lead on the ground. we should aid them in doing that but not have boots on the ground ourselves. >> i want to go back to what you just said in your white house

conversation. sounds like you believe they are going to declassify a bunch of intelligence over the next 24, 48 hours to lay out the chemical weapons case. you've been assured it's the president himself that's going to make this case for the world? >> i don't think -- i don't know. no, i don't think that was specifically given. i know he's making the case on phone calls to leaders around the world and obviously talking to the arab community but also nato. they are leaking out or giving readouts if you will of conversations he's having with other country leaders. but i don't know exactly what he's going to do. i don't know if there's going to be a prime time, if you will, speech in that regard. i don't think -- i certainly don't know that. i know i've been called by the appropriate person in this particular case and had a good conversation yesterday. i know they consider that the consultation, if you will, that

they are required to do under the war powers act. >> okay. senator bob corker, republican from tennessee. as always, sir, thanks for coming on and sharing your views. >> keeping a close eye on the developments out of syria, we'll bring you the latest from there as it happens throughout the hour including the tightrope the president is walking as the white house works to build an international coalition. we'll introduce you to one of the candidates meanwhile coming up next that want to take over the motor city when they get the keys to the car. how he plans on dealing with a city drowning in debt that he'll get to run after it comes out of bankruptcy. first a look ahead at today's politics planner. today janet napolitano giving a fairwell address. california, berkeley to run the entire uc system. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. ♪

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about an hour from now state election officials in michigan will try to figure out who came out on top a couple of weeks in the primary fight to be next mayor. it's sort of a county meetinss. no matter who wins, the city has a deep debt problem and the next mayor will have limited authority. turnout was onfor the nonpartisan primary but high among candidates. fourteen names on the ballot. there was one guy whose name wasn't on the ballot, mike duggan and he ended up claiming victory on election night.

he would be the first write-in candidate to win a mayoral primary. duggan got 4,000 votes in the tally, the first white mayor in four decades. to do it he has to beat the next guest, sheriff napoleon. sheriff napoleon, thanks for coming on this morning. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm okay. i'm trying to understand, does it really matter who came in first or second? it's pretty clear it's you and duggan in the runoff, right? >> absolutely. you know, in detroit because of the large number of candidates in the primary, it gives a real distorted view of the actual election. so the primary was a first half. now we're in the second half. it comes down to two where there's a clear choice between two candidates. no, it really does not matter. >> there seems to be more disputes back and forth. nothing has been officially certified yet. what are the risks here if we can't get these election results

certified one way or the other? >> it's got to be certified no question. it's just a question of what the final tally will be. my concern is not who is first or who is second. my concern is about the integrity of the election. there appears to be some serious improprieties that occurred during the ballot counting process or the collection of the ballots. so my concern is we have a fair, open, transparent electoral process and that the citizens are insured that we had a fair election. so i mean that's really what it's all about in my opinion. so i've asked the federal government to come in and take a look at the election process and make sure from this point forward we have a fair and transparent election. >> do you not believe mike duggan got the write-in votes he got? you don't believe the write-in number was as high as it appears to have been? >> no, the initial canvassers from wayne county threw out in

excess of 20,000 votes because of irregularities. we have to find out if those irregularities were due to incompetence or part of the criminal activity. that's a tremendous amount of votes to have potentially thrown out. so we just need to know why. >> i got you. let me ask you this. so if you become mayor, you essentially have to wait about, i don't know, perhaps a year before you're fully running the city. what do you plan on doing in that first year when you really don't have the powers of the purse when it comes to running the city? >> well, that's not necessarily the case, because there has been a challenge to the michigan emergency manager law. we have a federal case pending and hopefully we will have a decision from the federal court that says that, as i believe it is, the emergency manager law in michigan is unconstitutional. now, if that does not happen, then i'm in the situation that you have placed me in. that would then require me, as the elected mayor, to go to the

emergency manager and say you're here to run the finances of the city of detroit. you're here legitimately according to the court. but now it's the responsibility of the mayor elected by the people of this city to run the affairs of city government. he found out very quickly managing the finances and running the affairs of city government is a huge, huge task, which is why he brought in someone to do that. my consideration and my suggestion is he doesn't need that person anymore. let the elected mayor run the affairs of city government. >> what's your vision for detroit? give me a short-term plan you think you can get done in four years that would make people say, you know what, detroit might be able to come back and be something of the city it once was. >> detroit is absolutely coming back. i've not bought into the desperation dial okay. i'm not hopeless or helpless. whoever is elected stiff detroit, i believe it's going to

be me, there's very fundamental things we must do in government. public safety and welfare predominantly has to happen. detroit has to be no longer part of the national dialogue when it comes to violent crime and the discussion of the city being a violent city. we have to first and foremost make it a safe community, livable, walkable, sustainable neighborhoods where the people live. we also have to do important thing, create jobs, jobs, jobs. we have to have a new economy in the city of detroit. we also have to do something with our education system, although the mayor does not run the school system, the mayor needs to be the strongest advocate of education this city has ever seen. we're failing miserably at educating our children. my grandfather was a share cropper with a third grade education. he stressed to all of us how important education was and how it can lift you up out of the circumstance you're in. that's why we have to educate the children of detroit. we had some issues with blight we had to clean up. those will be the things at the top of me agenda.

>> does sound like the thing you're going to be able to control quickly on the law enforcement front. you're a sheriff, county wide official. does that mean, are you going to look for money to hire more cops on the streets? what does it mean? i'm curious, do you favor programs like stop and frisk? i know the mayor of philadelphia is somebody who would like that tactic, though not to do it via profiling. >> you know, stop and frisk has always been the law since terry versus ohio was announced by the u.s. supreme court but it has to be based on a reasonable suspicion that a person is engaged in some form of activity that is criminal or has been in criminal activity or about to do it. so stop and frisk has been the law for a long time. you should not profile people or stop people without a reason. i'll never support that. as a lawyer, i don't think it's legal to randomly stop people without cause so we have to do it based on some reasonable suspicion people are engaged in activity. >> but your goal is to increase

the number of law enforcement officials on the streets of detroit if you get elected? >> you absolutely have to. i'm the one person who understands police deployment. i understand the massive cost of service that comes into the 911 system. also understand a serious issue in the community with call stacking. we have to deploy our resources better, get a department more technologically advanced and have to have more boots on the ground. without that you're not going to form the city as a safe city. it's also an issue with training. it's an issue with leadership. so we have to do all those things, chuck. >> benny napoleon, one of the two candidates that's going to meet in the november runoff. thanks for coming on. we invited mike duggan to come on the show as well. we look forward to interviewing him. up next, the coverage of the historic 50th march on washington we're honored to be joined by a historian taylor branch and director of national museum of history and culture,

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tomorrow on the 50th anniversary of martin luther king's i have a dream speech the president will have an opportunity to look back at the civil rights movement over the last half century. that reflection started saturday as gathered to retrace the march, john lewis who was there himself 50 years ago. >> we shall splinter the segregated south into 1,000 pieces and put them together in the image of god and democracy. we must say wake up, america, wake up.

we cannot stop and we will not and cannot be patient. >> you cannot stand by. you cannot sit down. you've got to stand up, speak up, speak out, and get in the way. make some noise! >> much grief as we give congress, it's amazing that it is john lewis is still a member of the institution. lonny bunch founder of the national museum of african-american history and culture which will be completed in 2015 on the national mall in washington. pulitzer prize winning taylor branch, the author of the landmark history of the civil rights movement, america in the king years. his most recent book, the king years, is now available in paperback and i assume download as well. we say paperback. in these days, can you get it on the download itself. let me start with you, you're in the middle of trying to build a museum appropriate for the african-american legacy, the

importance of the march on washington. an entire wing? how important is it in the legacy as you're building this? >> the march on washington is one of the key moments in african-american history, in american history. so our goal is to make sure we help people understand how that movement helped to nationalize the march on washington, helped to bring a diverse group of supporters to the march on washington but most importantly for a museum of our type, we have to suggest this is part of a long continuing process of the struggle for racial justice in america, that the march on washington is signature, crucially important, part of a long ongoing struggle. >> taylor, you wrote a most recent essay, i thought it was interested the way you did it. you talked about 50 year blinks of the history of race in the country, you want down emancipation proclamation, march on washington, here we are. what does this 50 year blink

bring us when it comes to race in america. >> 50 year blink from '63 to today brings us immense advances towards free, equal, what dr. king called equal votes and equal souls in the united states, not just race relations, end of segregation but as he predicted liberated the white south, created the sunbelt, created all kinds of rights for women people take for granted, the disabled. basically race has always been the chief barrier but also the gateway when people deal forthrightly with race it pays other benefits. now 2013 we have benefits that make us optimistic we can tackle tough problems but our politics is in gridlock largely because we don't deal with race and acknowledge what we've done. >> it struck me. you said this. the first thing i thought of was eric holder's line from three years ago calling us a nation of cowards when it comes to the issue of race. lonnie you're building a whole museum you're hoping launches

uncomfortable conversations. you think we need to have an uncomfortable conversation about race right now? >> there's no doubt race has been and continues to be the most important issue that divides us. for us we ought to take advantage of the fact the smithsonian is a place people come to engage and educate. so for us it's crucially important to craft a museum that forces us to discuss where we've improved in race and where this is a continuing battle for us to wrestle with. >> taylor, you seem to intimate in this essay that you wrote marking the occasion that president obama of all people seems more hesitant than most to talk about race. do you think the conversation he tries to have tomorrow should be a bit uncomfortable. >> i think he should talk about race in his own experience as it informs our partisan gridlock. if the truth is that partisan gridlock is at bottom racial --

>> do you believe it is? >> absolutely. >> it's amazing to me about how wallace decided to change his language right after -- when the word segregation no longer had -- he changed his language and it all became about big government. >> called pointy headed bureaucrats and tyrannical judge and tax and spend legislators. he basically invented a lot of the modern vocabulary of politics taking racial animosity and unease and trans muting it into distrust of government. that's what we're doing now. you look at the parties. one party averages 50% more white people and the other party averages twice as many nonwhite people per constituency. we're locked in these things. it didn't happen by accident. >> this is the downside. fifty years from now. if there's no longer an assumption by data geeks like me, that's an african-american

precinct, if that's gone, it's more in come levels that divides us, is that an improvement? does that mean we have taken another step to racial equality. >> it's an improvement. the truth of the matter is i don't ever believe you'll get to that point where you can step away from racial markers. in some ways what you hope is that those markers begin to help us understand where the improvement has occurred. but i would argue we're always going to be grappling with questions of race. >> taylor, i've always had this question about president obama. had he grown up -- one thing about it, the disconnect people apply to president obama, when it comes to him as an african-american leader, is he president of the united states, all americans, he had a different experience than most black americans of his experience was a lot different than black americans -- had he grown up in the south, he'd have a different experience and different life story about being black in america. >> right. but the fact of the matter is,

whatever his life story is, most people -- a lot of people don't want to hear it. they want him to be a black president on our terms. >> when you say a lot of people, do you mean both white america and black america? >> exactly. so he's trapped in that regard. when you see the march on washington, the people who attended that day were excited and nervous. they were taking steps to meet the other half of the country and say we are patriotic. they were scared. the city of washington cut off liquor sales that day. they were scared of it. we assume that african-americans are going to take all the risks to expose ourselves. the lessin of american history we only make progress when there's reciprocation, when the rest of us, when white america is taking some risk, too. that's what makes -- that's the good side of racial history. >> i'm going to ask this question i asked when i did a

special friday, the 100th anniversary of the march on washington, what's the discussion going to be about? >> the discussion is going to be are we still a nation that recognizes that activism, the african-american experience is crucial to helping america live up to its stated ideals. i think we're still going to have that discussion at the 100th. >> the next blink. >> what i would like to see happen is people to recognize that the leadership of african-americans helps us really understand what it means to have a chinese president or hispanic president in 100 years because we are the world's first multi-racial, multi-ethnic democracy and it takes an adjustment and black and white has led that adjustment. >> we're a melting pot, yet we always identify every color in that pot. that's sort of the challenge we have. lonnie bunch, taylor branch, could go on and on with you two. it would have been great. thank you very much. ahead of tomorrow's 50th

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u.s. officials confirmation we had learned earlier the missile strike against syria gibegins thursday and could last up to three years. the arab league is blaming the syrian government for the chem wall weapons attack. joining me is the gaggle. congressman perrielo, when you ran, you ran, you won and largely on iran platform and iraq. how do you think the public is going to respond to u.s. missile strikes on another middle eastern country? when you have the kind of atrocities you've seen in syria and red line cross with these chemical and biological weapons. >> you would defend this in congress?

>> i would. i've been supportive of a more aggressive posture over a year. you have to make the case to constituents. i think it's important to follow the national security interest as the president will obviously do. you saw senator corker willing to back that as well. but you have to make the case. i think that the american people are war weary on both sides of the aisle. and they are concerned about what we are trying to accomplish. i believe the interests are there but i believe that case hasn't been made. >> alfonso, i think if this went to congress, it would be a really hard vote and i think none of the party leaders, democrat or republican, want to have -- want to be forced to get an authorization, because it would be -- you see isolationist wings of both parties. >> absolutely. i think the president would have problems on both sides of the aisle. i don't tell i don't know if he necessarily needs a resolution from congress. >> they decided they don't, it's pretty clear. >> he needs to proactively engage congress and i don't see that happening yet. back to what the congressman was saying. i think they need to make the

case, because right now there is no appetite for a military strike. the question if we do a military strike, what is the purpose of it? what are we -- what are we going to accomplish? you can't use chemical weapons but that is going to dissuade the regime from continuing to attack. >> this is the debate going on right now, molly. everybody at the table all in agreement what assad did was outrageous and you have to do something but what is the something that is enough of a deterrent deters him from doing it but does not drag the united states into a war? >> exactly. we are saying we are on not trying to topple him or take him out but sending a message of that sort. because there hasn't been a big public debate about this some don't understand what that means. you see in the polling that people not only want to take military action, they don't want to even provide aid because i think people are weary of getting meshed.

i think it's true a lot of nuance that gets lost in that type of a question where people read that as going to war and what they don't want and this is more tactical type of strike would avoid that. >> do you the president did not publicly sort of own libya at the time? when i say that wasn't a big address to the nation? there was this edition, look, we are participating in an attack that is being -- that is led by nato? this case, do you think, we need to see him front and center? >> i think he does need to do that, but also have to remember one thing that was important in libya was getting the arab league involved. as you said, getting people to own this before you go in is important whether that is getting congress to own part of it, getting regional partners to own part it and i think held the coalition together during laer whi -- which was impressive. >> i think they have to feel if they want to do it.

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and a 30-tablet free trial. good morning. i'm rishchard lui in no chris jansing. missile strikes against syria could be launched as early as thursday. that is according to senior u.s. officials. defense secretary chuck hagel telling the bbc the u.s. military is ready should the president give the order. >> suffice it to say the options are there. the united states department of defense is ready to carry out those options if that would occur, that would occur also in coordination with our international partners. >> then on the ground, the u.n. team investigating the use of chemical weapons is having trouble. monday, they were shot out before getting a chance to talk to victims and tour the scene. today, their visit to another site has been delayed. regardless, there is little